thanks.thats pretty much what i've been doing.i was just hoping there was some other method that i was over looking.i have a lot to learn about patch panel installs. thanks to everyone for the suggestions.

these are some great ideas from you fellows but my problem is more with performing the butt welds.either i burn thru the sheet metal patch or body panel or both. then i speed up the wire slightly and the wire sticks.heavier gauge metal is no problem,but sheet metal say .024 gauge is a pain in the a-...

i'm currently using a hobart 140 handler on 75/25 bottle.i'm looking to do patch panel repair and i'm concerned about the correct heat and speed settings for this.does anyone out there have any experience in this situation? also i'm using .024 wire. thanks for any help.