Welding Tips and Tricks

so is it normal for 6011 to take more amps to run vs 6010?

because i have to run 1/8 6011 on 100 amps to run good but on my AHP on 110v but the miller at school runs 1/8 inch 6010 at around 85-90 amps? is this just due to 110v vs 220v or is it that 6011 takes more amps to run vs 6010?

The two rods are slightly different from each other but most likely what your noticing just has to do with the differences between the two machines. Just because a dial or even a digital readout says the amps are the same doesn't mean they actually are. This is common. Plus you have added the variable of different supply voltages. Even the same machine plugged into 110 vs 220 will weld different. That's why reading the puddle and paying attention to what's happening as you weld is so important.

I wouldn't worry too much about the exact amperage the settings are gonna very from machine to machine. Just remember a ballpark for the rod and fine tune on a piece of scrap in the position you want to weld when you use a different welder. as for the rod they are about the same but 6011 seems to be able to burn through crap like paint and rust easier.

ward605 wrote:I wouldn't worry too much about the exact amperage the settings are gonna very from machine to machine. Just remember a ballpark for the rod and fine tune on a piece of scrap in the position you want to weld when you use a different welder. as for the rod they are about the same but 6011 seems to be able to burn through crap like paint and rust easier.

i was just curuous if it was more of a issue with the 110v vs 220v or if its a normal thing for 6011 needing more amps to run on average. because i know the 3/32 7018 was about the same amps 82 vs 80 but 90 vs 100 is more of a gap.. more curiuous because i was thinking on starting to make a chart for the welder of good amps to start out at. ie so i can not mess around as much trying to find the sweet spot.

not sure on that i never had a 110v welder. i would say just run some 6010 with that machine and see what how it compares

ryanjames170 wrote:so is it normal for 6011 to take more amps to run vs 6010?

because i have to run 1/8 6011 on 100 amps to run good but on my AHP on 110v but the miller at school runs 1/8 inch 6010 at around 85-90 amps? is this just due to 110v vs 220v or is it that 6011 takes more amps to run vs 6010?

You'll often find the amp range listed as 6010/11.

To get the same results on AC as with DC, the amps usually get turned up a little though since DC+ has more penetration than AC.

But, as others have said, 2 different machines almost never run identical.
Often not even 2 of the same machines run identical.

ward605 wrote:not sure on that i never had a 110v welder. i would say just run some 6010 with that machine and see what how it compares

poor thing wont run 6010 to save itself its a "small" inverter we had 3/32 6010 at 110 amps and it wouldnt run more then a inch lol.. i hope in the future they revamp the machine with a port for 6010 though. id pay a few extra $$ for that feature.

im kinda thinking the issue is more in 110v vs 220v and 6011 vs 6010 then the machine giving how it runs 7018. im sure the miller puts out too its a 300 some amper welder.

on my machine, using Lincoln rods, 6011 definitely needs a few more amps than 6010, same diameter rod, both on DCEP. Roughly a 10% difference. on 110V? Fuggedaboutit. OCV is only 47V on 110V, vs 67V on 220V input power. Won't run 6010 on 110V. I suspect you need around 60V bare minimum OCV to strike/run 6010 on 110V.

Oscar wrote:on my machine, using Lincoln rods, 6011 definitely needs a few more amps than 6010, same diameter rod, both on DCEP. Roughly a 10% difference. on 110V? Fuggedaboutit. OCV is only 47V on 110V, vs 67V on 220V input power. Won't run 6010 on 110V. I suspect you need around 60V bare minimum OCV to strike/run 6010 on 110V.

you need more then 62v my AHP wont keep 6010 going at all.. i think its more like 70v though

ryanjames170 wrote:

Oscar wrote:on my machine, using Lincoln rods, 6011 definitely needs a few more amps than 6010, same diameter rod, both on DCEP. Roughly a 10% difference. on 110V? Fuggedaboutit. OCV is only 47V on 110V, vs 67V on 220V input power. Won't run 6010 on 110V. I suspect you need around 60V bare minimum OCV to strike/run 6010 on 110V.

you need more then 62v my AHP wont keep 6010 going at all.. i think its more like 70v though

I don't doubt it. My machine would be on the low-end of that as I usually see no higher than about 67.5V OCV.

Oscar wrote:

ryanjames170 wrote:

Oscar wrote:on my machine, using Lincoln rods, 6011 definitely needs a few more amps than 6010, same diameter rod, both on DCEP. Roughly a 10% difference. on 110V? Fuggedaboutit. OCV is only 47V on 110V, vs 67V on 220V input power. Won't run 6010 on 110V. I suspect you need around 60V bare minimum OCV to strike/run 6010 on 110V.

you need more then 62v my AHP wont keep 6010 going at all.. i think its more like 70v though

I don't doubt it. My machine would be on the low-end of that as I usually see no higher than about 67.5V OCV.

its kinda a pitty they cant up the open circut voltage on these little machines but im sure its more to do with how they are able to switch from 110v to 220v with out moving wires around. but with that said it runs 6011, 7018 verry well.

ryanjames170 wrote:its kinda a pitty they cant up the open circut voltage on these little machines but im sure its more to do with how they are able to switch from 110v to 220v with out moving wires around. but with that said it runs 6011, 7018 verry well.

Yea, but eventually a young, brilliant electrical engineer will discover a circuit topology to work around this, and discussions of this type will be a thing of the past. Perhaps the hardware doesn't exist yet, but I also feel it's just a matter of time. Just how Cyberdyne systems was amazed at the computer chip from the 1st Terminator that they salvaged----eventually someone will revolutionize something, in a way we can't even imagine right now. "My weldahs CPU is a Neuro-Net processah---a learning computah." [/end ahnold voice]