Need some 3/32 6013 on 1/2 in plate.

AKweldshop · Thu May 01, 2014 3:04 am

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Ok,

Got a job to mount these forks on this Michigan loader....

I got a youtube vid of the general idea.

Here's a few pics.

I'll get the video on youtube.

AKweldshop · Thu May 01, 2014 3:10 am

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AKweldshop · Thu May 01, 2014 3:15 am

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These forks are 48inch each way.

The bucket is 40inches from cutting edge to top.

I'll let you know the rest of the plans when I know.

~John

noddybrian · Thu May 01, 2014 7:23 am

I'm not taking the bait on the 6013 thing for this application - how about flux core ? ( like a Horrible Freight 90 amp ! )

Seriously - if you Google image the 4 in 1 bucket on a JCB 3CX or later they all have pallet forks similar to your project- the bar is quite hard & about 1-1/2" diameter ( possible EN24T ) takes a fair force to straighten in a press - it's made in 2 pieces for ease of fitting & repair & is held in by the 6" tube in the center of the bucket with a bolt - it works OK but is a complete b#stard to use as you are completely blind & can only see the forks at certain heights - try to make the forks sit parallel with the top or bottom of the bucket so the operator has something to go by when using them - the better solution is to have the bucket & forks on a quick hitch & swap them over as needed though I realize this is probably not practical or cost effective - but it's a heck of alot easier if using the forks much - look forward to seeing it finished.

Now is there going to be a new section for cooking tips ? we had all the Aussie BBQ jokes - but no advice on cooking up balls !

Superiorwelding · Thu May 01, 2014 12:16 pm

noddybrian wrote: Now is there going to be a new section for cooking tips ? we had all the Aussie BBQ jokes - but no advice on cooking up balls !

-Jonathan

MinnesotaDave · Thu May 01, 2014 12:40 pm

3/32" 6013 is clearly too big - 1/16" would be much better at about 35 amps.
Some harbor freight battery chargers will do that for you.
Otherwise the metal will get all red and glowy looking while you weld.
That could cause burns when you touch it...safer to use just enough heat to melt the old paint

noddybrian · Thu May 01, 2014 2:33 pm

How about that 3M tape that Werkspace found ? that looked promising as long as it's not raining when you fit the forks - or I heard JB weld is good ! - not sure about tensile strength ( but who knows it could be more than 6013 )

MinnesotaDave · Thu May 01, 2014 3:12 pm

noddybrian wrote:How about that 3M tape that Werkspace found ? that looked promising as long as it's not raining when you fit the forks - or I heard JB weld is good ! - not sure about tensile strength ( but who knows it could be more than 6013 )

Gaffers tape is nice, like duct tape but leaves no residue

AKweldshop · Thu May 01, 2014 3:17 pm

I'll just use jbweld.

Much safer....

And no burn through.

~John

AKweldshop · Thu May 01, 2014 3:38 pm

Here's the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2LCzqAH4Yk

Superiorwelding · Thu May 01, 2014 4:44 pm

John,
I have some 3M blue painters tape if the other methods fail.

-Jonathan

AKweldshop · Sat May 03, 2014 2:56 am

Just got a 7ft piece of 4 inch wide by 1/2 inch thick flat bar.
I got a 1 1/4 drill bit, t-bevel square, grinder, chop saw, and a camera!!

Stay tuned,
~John

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kermdawg · Sat May 03, 2014 8:19 am

how are you going to keep the forks from moving horizontally on the bar? Doesn't look like theres anyway to lock them into place.

Antorcha · Sun May 04, 2014 1:02 pm

If you'd quit beating it with a hammer the welds wouldn't break !

AKweldshop · Sun May 04, 2014 1:29 pm

Antorcha wrote:If you'd quit beating it with a hammer the welds wouldn't break !

Ummm....
What is the point of welding???

kermdawg wrote:how are you going to keep the forks from moving horizontally on the bar? Doesn't look like theres anyway to lock them into place.

They shouldn't move anywhere.
I could drill and tap that pipe, but it should be a smooth fit.

John

kermdawg · Sun May 04, 2014 2:51 pm

Ah, so the forks aren't going to be adjustable?

I think you could weld some stops and make slots the forks could sit in on the top edge of the bucket, then you could just roll the works down and slide em over if you wanted to adjust em.

Antorcha · Wed May 07, 2014 5:30 pm

AKweldshop wrote:
Antorcha wrote:If you'd quit beating it with a hammer the welds wouldn't break !
Ummm....
What is the point of welding???
kermdawg wrote:how are you going to keep the forks from moving horizontally on the bar? Doesn't look like theres anyway to lock them into place.
They shouldn't move anywhere.
I could drill and tap that pipe, but it should be a smooth fit.

John

Tell ya what. Take a piece of 3/8 hot roll and brake it 90 in a good sharp press.
Clamp it up and take a hammer to it and see when it breaks.
You'll be amazed. Next time you'll cut and 6013 instead.

At this point we can converse about useless steel.

noddybrian · Wed May 07, 2014 5:40 pm

Oh please - don't start him off on the 6013 again - no one is going to convince him that good ones work OK for suitable jobs - I reckon he's got a touch of OCD about 7018 or maybe he thinks 6013 were invented by commies ! ( not really AK - if it works for you keep with what you know ! )

kermdawg · Wed May 07, 2014 7:18 pm

Hey 6013 is great for teaching people how to strike an arc and run a bead. That's what it's for isn't it???

AKweldshop · Wed May 07, 2014 9:44 pm

kermdawg wrote:Hey 6013 is great for teaching people how to strike an arc and run a bead. That's what it's for isn't it???

That's its purpose.
Out in the world, we you xx10 and xx18.

Kerndawg,
Watch my video again.

Antorcha · Thu May 08, 2014 6:48 pm

kermdawg wrote:Hey 6013 is great for teaching people how to strike an arc and run a bead. That's what it's for isn't it???

It's OK for that but unlike 7014, 6013 is not a true drag rod.7014 is a better teaching tool(rod) If you hold an arc with 6013 it becomes a different critter. It IS really nice to be able to drag on some thin box tube so you don't blow holes but by design, it is NOT a "drag rod".
It's a tool in the box. Nothing more.
If I was a desert Island stowaway, I want Marianne(not Ginger) and a box of 6011 Inweld 3/32. If I can't weld it with that it can't be welded !
Lay in the rain forest mud and play with your faves. I'll be the guy making the steam and tossing sparks.
DISCLAIMER: Won't be purty but we'll make it home.

wheresmejumper · Fri May 09, 2014 3:04 pm

Id love to see you break that with 3 blows.

noddybrian · Fri May 09, 2014 4:47 pm

Don't get AK going on that again please ! - he'd try anyhow just to hate on it if that's 6013 ! naturally he did'nt mention he had a 28lb hammer for that test ! I think he borrowed it from Thor !

That's a wide looking weave on the cap - is this just for #hits & giggles or you got a test to do - last WPS I saw here in 1/2" open root vertical called for a 2 run split cap - have we finally got something the EU can agree on with the paper work ? if so does it have a recognized code / number & can you divulge the written procedure as there are several guys been asking about this in view of new requirements by some of the insurance companies.

Superiorwelding · Fri May 09, 2014 8:46 pm

noddybrian wrote:Don't get AK going on that again please ! - he'd try anyhow just to hate on it if that's 6013 ! naturally he did'nt mention he had a 28lb hammer for that test ! I think he borrowed it from Thor !

I will get him fired up again, respectfully. John, did you perform this test? I do not recall you putting up the pictures or specs on the forum. If you were the one who did this test, what position, weld size, amperage, weight of hammer? Personally I think this test is false. There is no way it took 3 blows to break a 6013 weld vs 20 something on 7018. Could be wrong I guess. Also as stated before, all a hammer test proves is impact load and show me where you find impact loading on a normal weldment.
Let the games begin

-Jonathan

AKweldshop · Fri May 09, 2014 10:18 pm

Superiorwelding wrote:
noddybrian wrote:Don't get AK going on that again please ! - he'd try anyhow just to hate on it if that's 6013 ! naturally he did'nt mention he had a 28lb hammer for that test ! I think he borrowed it from Thor !

I will get him fired up again, respectfully. John, did you perform this test? I do not recall you putting up the pictures or specs on the forum. If you were the one who did this test, what position, weld size, amperage, weight of hammer? Personally I think this test is false. There is no way it took 3 blows to break a 6013 weld vs 20 something on 7018. Could be wrong I guess. Also as stated before, all a hammer test proves is impact load and show me where you find impact loading on a normal weldment.
Let the games begin
-Jonathan

This test was done by the best stick weldor on the forums.

CEP from WW, aka Shield Arc from the other forums.

~John