Filler rod brands

DougW · Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:04 am

Is there any appreciable gain to be had for the upcharge on brand name fillers?

Is Blue Demon brand as good as Lincolin's SuperGlaze? How does does Crown Alloys rate? Hobart branded filler? Or... is price the only true consideration you make when purchasing filler rods/wire?

cj737 · Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:14 am

For code work, stick rods matter a great deal. For hobby work, not so much. I buy Crown TIG filler an awful lot from IOC online and have great results.

DougW · Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:21 am

cj737 wrote:For code work, stick rods matter a great deal. For hobby work, not so much. I buy Crown TIG filler an awful lot from IOC online and have great results.

Thanks CJ.... I'm in the process of upping my inventory so I don't have to be concerned with having "stuff" on hand. There's not a lot of price difference in name/no-name fillers but why spend it if it isn't necessary?

I don't ever see me stick welding. For me stick welding is only called for outdoors in a hostile environment where shielding gas isn't a viable option. No doubt there are applications where the stick is the preferred choice regardless of conditions - I suppose.

Thanks again!

VA-Sawyer · Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:40 am

I think the name brands might hold up a bit better in storage.

DougW · Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:07 am

speaking of storage...

Is it worthwhile to incorporate desiccant packets in the rod storage tubes?

Spartan · Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:08 am

I mainly just use the brands from my LWS. Inweld, weldcote, and washington alloys mostly.

Industrial-level quality, so no reason to doubt them. Nothing flashy about companies like that. Just quality, dependable products. No marketing gimmicks, no flash sales, no free prime shipping. Just stuff that works well.

Filler rod is THE business end of the business end of our welds, and is technically the only product of our welds that the customer actually sees and uses, so I don't try to save a few bucks on them taking chances on dubious brands.

LtBadd · Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:12 am

As far as TIG welding goes, in my many years I never had a problem that related to filler, I'd be more concerned with proper weld prep then anything else, IOW clean material, gas flow and coverage, torch angle and tungsten stickout.

I always wipe down my filler with isopropyl alcohol, especially aluminum filler. Even if practicing its good to get into the habit and practice like its a weld for your customer.

Spartan · Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:16 am

DougW wrote:speaking of storage...

Is it worthwhile to incorporate desiccant packets in the rod storage tubes?

It can't hurt. If you weld in a garage with no AC or heat, try to keep your steel filler in the house. Also try to only buy as much as you expect to use in 6-12 months max. The steel fillers can and will corrode if improperly stored for long periods. Same for MIG wire.

VA-Sawyer · Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:23 am

LtBadd wrote: I always wipe down my filler with isopropyl alcohol, especially aluminum filler. Even if practicing its good to get into the habit and practice like its a weld for your customer.

My main failure during practice. I know better, but don't often do it. Then I sometimes forget when doing real welds.
Richard, you are correct to say 'it is in the prep'. I need to work harder on establishing that good habit. Thanks for the reminder.

LtBadd · Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:29 pm

Spartan wrote:
DougW wrote:speaking of storage...

Is it worthwhile to incorporate desiccant packets in the rod storage tubes?
It can't hurt. If you weld in a garage with no AC or heat, try to keep your steel filler in the house. Also try to only buy as much as you expect to use in 6-12 months max. The steel fillers can and will corrode if improperly stored for long periods. Same for MIG wire.

My garage has a window AC unit that I only use when I work, I've had steel filler for a few years without problem but it is stored in PVC tubing. I'm in Florida so humidity is high, still the desiccants packs could be useful.

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DougW · Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:00 pm

I have a similar, though less extensive, set-up. You went vertical... I went horizontal...

20200623_115527 by Doug Wei, on Flickr

Spartan · Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:56 pm

LtBadd wrote: My garage has a window AC unit that I only use when I work, I've had steel filler for a few years without problem but it is stored in PVC tubing. I'm in Florida so humidity is high, still the desiccants packs could be useful.

Opportunity missed. I just got back from a client's shop where they keep their filler rod just sitting vertically in plywood bins under their welding table. No AC in their shop. Worst rods I've ever seen...unusable because of the corrosion even if scotchbrighted heavily, at least IMO. Wish I would have taken some pics to share here!

No wonder they have started outsourcing their TIG welding...

LtBadd · Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:26 pm

DougW wrote:I have a similar, though less extensive, set-up. You went vertical... I went horizontal...

20200623_115527 by Doug Wei, on Flickr

looks good to me, you're all set

LtBadd · Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:29 pm

Spartan wrote: Opportunity missed. I just got back from a client's shop where they keep their filler rod just sitting vertically in plywood bins under their welding table. No AC in their shop. Worst rods I've ever seen...unusable because of the corrosion even if scotchbrighted heavily, at least IMO. Wish I would have taken some pics to share here!

No wonder they have started outsourcing their TIG welding...

I've seen those as well thru the years, seems a good opportunity for you!
The small effort to be organized and at least somewhat clean does pay off with less frustration at the very least

cj737 · Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:24 pm

My filler is color-coded by type, stored against the elements.

v5cvbb · Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:37 pm

What's the common sizes used in these PVC storage tubes? Obviously I can buy what fits, just asking if a certain size works better. I need to get started on a storage rack.

Oscar · Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:42 pm

the 1½" PVC holds 10lbs worth of steel or nickel based rods perfectly. For Aluminum the 3" PVC is better if you buy a 10lb box. Perhaps 2½", but I'm pretty sure its 3".

DougW · Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:50 pm

I just made mine and I used 3" on the aluminum and 1 1/2" for mild steel. I have yet to purchase any stainless rods.

You "might" could get by with 2 1/2" on 10#s but I think it'd be very close.

LtBadd · Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:40 pm

cj737 wrote:My filler is color-coded by type, stored against the elements.

Nice rack!

Seriously though that's a nice setup.

DougW · Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:16 pm

LtBadd wrote:
cj737 wrote:My filler is color-coded by type, stored against the elements.
Nice rack!

I don’t care who you are... that’s funny!!!

v5cvbb · Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:43 pm

Thanks guys. 1.5" and 3" sounds like a plan. I'll get to it.

BugHunter · Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:48 pm

Spartan wrote:
LtBadd wrote: My garage has a window AC unit that I only use when I work, I've had steel filler for a few years without problem but it is stored in PVC tubing. I'm in Florida so humidity is high, still the desiccants packs could be useful.
Opportunity missed. I just got back from a client's shop where they keep their filler rod just sitting vertically in plywood bins under their welding table. No AC in their shop. Worst rods I've ever seen...unusable because of the corrosion even if scotchbrighted heavily, at least IMO. Wish I would have taken some pics to share here!

No wonder they have started outsourcing their TIG welding...

When I bought my shop a decade ago there was er70s 2 and er70s 6 hanging on the wall on pegboard hooks. This in the same room where they ground Parts with a 8 inch grinder and everything was covered in filth. I have not thrown the rods away and they are still on the wall. If someone comes in with a farm plow and they want something welded up I will use them but everything from cyberweld comes in a tube and it stays there. The stainless steel is okay and just needs wiped off but the carbon steel rod is absolute garbage and should be used for coat hangers or nothing more. Maybe not even coat hangers.

smithdoor · Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:13 am

DougW wrote:Is there any appreciable gain to be had for the upcharge on brand name fillers?

Is Blue Demon brand as good as Lincolin's SuperGlaze? How does does Crown Alloys rate? Hobart branded filler? Or... is price the only true consideration you make when purchasing filler rods/wire?

I look for best price that meets the spec.
It just profits if self-employed.
If you working for some else just get best it all pays the same.

Dave

CopperCulprit · Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:16 pm

DougW wrote:I have a similar, though less extensive, set-up. You went vertical... I went horizontal...

20200623_115527 by Doug Wei, on Flickr

Ahh so this is prob the best way to store if its humid? What if it's in a fairly cold basement, but plastic box

CopperCulprit · Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:17 pm

DougW wrote:I have a similar, though less extensive, set-up. You went vertical... I went horizontal...

20200623_115527 by Doug Wei, on Flickr

Ahh so this is prob the best way to store if its humid? What if it's in a fairly cold basement, but plastic box