[Oscar]

If they had mentioned it or put information out on it 5 or 6 weeks ago, I might have waited and gotten just that instead of the 2 Miller machines I have. No real regrets for me because that thing is so heavy and I don't mind having the light MIG that I can take out to the detached garage we're building. Still, Jeff should be able to do better getting the word out. I even spoke with him a week or so ago and he didn't mention it, so now I have a Dynasty 210 DX... .

It looks really nice. Betting it will give the Dynasty 280 a run for the money!

IMO, such announcements would hurt their sales. They are not Miller nor Lincoln, so if they would have announced it weeks/months ago, it would have hurt their Invertig 221 sales that they were probably counting on (the shipment that arrived in May).

[Spartan]

It looks really nice. Betting it will give the Dynasty 280 a run for the money!

I imagine we'll be seeing a Miller Diversion 2.0 soon enough that actually has features and capabilities that hobbyists and more casual TIG welders are looking for. Miller is missing out on a growing part of the market that has been booming the past few years, and I'm sure they know it.

[Spartan]

Anyone considering the Miller 211 should watch this video.

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Thanks for sharing that. But I'd say it's more of a design flaw with the gun/nozzle than the 211 itself as the video title leads you to believe. I think (but don't know for sure) that Miller and most other companies use the same guns across multiple machines.

[TraditionalToolworks]

Thanks for sharing that. But I'd say it's more of a design flaw with the gun/nozzle than the 211 itself as the video title leads you to believe. I think (but don't know for sure) that Miller and most other companies use the same guns across multiple machines.

Indeed it is a flaw with the mig gun Miller ships with the 211, nothing more, nothing less.

In the video he worked around the shortcoming by buying the tips from HTP America, but seems it cost him about $160. Note he Miller gun on his older 255 (???) is still operating find to this day, seems it was from the 50s.

The other option would be to keep extra tips for the 211 gun on hand.

Not sure what gave you the impression I was implying Miller used the same gun across their line, I stated clearly anyone interested in the Miller 211 be aware of that issue. Not a huge deal actually, a lot of people like the 211, just not like the 251/252. I apologize if I somehow misled you to believe otherwise.

I'm not interested in a Mig machine, so no worries for me. I prefer tig, and get my snap crackle pop from stick.

Now it's time for my smog appointment, gonna get some hood time in after I get back.

[Spartan]

Not sure what gave you the impression I was implying Miller used the same gun across their line, I stated clearly anyone interested in the Miller 211 be aware of that issue. Not a huge deal actually, a lot of people like the 211, just not like the 251/252. I apologize if I somehow misled you to believe otherwise.

Wasn't trying to say that you implied anything or were misleading in any way. Only meant that the video title itself could be a bit misleading (on the creator, not on you at all) since that gun MAY be used across other machines, not just the 211. I see the MIG gun as being a separate piece of equipment from the machine itself since they are interchangeable, and the only problem he addressed was with the gun nozzle. A better title may have been "Problems/Design Flaw with Miller 211 MIG Gun".

But that's sort of splitting hairs and doesn't really matter.

Thanks for sharing that video, and I do appreciate the heads up as I'm sure others here do as well. That's all that really matters.

[Oscar]

A more important thing to look forward to is the drive system wobble. It happened to mine, but not the one we bought for my work.

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[Spartan]

A more important thing to look forward to is the drive system wobble. It happened to mine, but not the one we bought for my work.

vE11Vjr8_pU

Cheese and Rice. Seems like it's one thing after another with that Miller. I'll avoid for sure.

So much for Miller being the "gold standard"....

[Oscar]

A more important thing to look forward to is the drive system wobble. It happened to mine, but not the one we bought for my work.

vE11Vjr8_pU

Cheese and Rice. Seems like it's one thing after another with that Miller. I'll avoid for sure.

So much for Miller being the "gold standard"....

Yup. Once I smoked the main board like a dummy, that was the last draw, and that's when I bought my 2nd HTP, the PP300, and never looked back.

[TraditionalToolworks]

So much for Miller being the "gold standard"....

Not even close to the green weenie standard, that's for sure.

[sbaker56]

Seems like a much superior choice compared to the the Syncrowave 250 and Dynasty 280. It's priced the same as a bare bones 250 but seems to be more comparable in features to a Dynasty 280 DX with a better duty cycle than either, even in single phase. I'm not sure about the new Syncrowave 300 which seems like a very similar machine, but the duty cycle and stick output on the HTP is still superior.

Still entirely out of my price range though

[Brent1321]

The HTP 221 was number one on my want list, but just a bit out of my price range for my first TIG machine. Might be my second machine, if I ever need another.

[TraditionalToolworks]

Seems like a much superior choice compared to the the Syncrowave 250 and Dynasty 280. It's priced the same as a bare bones 250 but seems to be more comparable in features to a Dynasty 280 DX with a better duty cycle than either, even in single phase. I'm not sure about the new Syncrowave 300 which seems like a very similar machine, but the duty cycle and stick output on the HTP is still superior.

One thing to keep in mind which another welder pointed out on another forum, the weight of the machine places it outside the class of the Dynasty 280, which is a portable machine. This new Invertig 313 weighs more than twice what the Dynasty 280 does.

The HTP 221 was number one on my want list, but just a bit out of my price range for my first TIG machine. Might be my second machine, if I ever need another.

What type of machine did you end up with? I also would have preferred the HTP 221, but just have some other things that are more important in my life at the moment. In my case I ended up with a Primeweld 225. I also have an Everlast i-Tig 201 which is not a bad DC Tig machine.

[Oscar]

I think the term "class" is being used loosely here. When I hear "class" for a welder, I typically think "amperage", or "dollar amount". It's like saying that a machine over a certain width/length of it's case is not in the same "class" as another machine; It's not too important. Sure, I'm not saying weight is not important at all, but I've seldom if ever seen welders listed by weight as a category. Definitely not something I would want to lug up to a 2nd floor by hand; I struggle to lift my ProPulse 300 empty, but an acquaintance of mine carries his 100lb+ ProPulse 300 by hand to remote sites as he sees fit. It's all in the eye of the beholder; or in this case the biceps/forearms.

[TraditionalToolworks]

Maybe my use of "class" is not correct.

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The invertig 400 weighs 121 lbs.
                 weighs 204 lbs. w/cart
                 weighs 250 lbs. w/cart and cooler

The Invertig 313 weighs 121 lbs. (can cart and cooler be any lighter?)

The Invertig 221 weighs 40 lbs.

The Dynasty 280 weighs 52 lbs.

The Dynasty 210 weighs 47 lbs.

The Primeweld 225 weighs 40.7 lbs.

[Oscar]

For all practical purposes, the 313 and the 400 are the same machine save for the power supplies (IMO, unless the only difference is in the programming to limit the output, but its definitely not rated for 3-ph higher than 230V). So yea, both are meant to be rolled around on carts if mobility is needed. Unless you've got "the "hulk" strength and can carry it with a beefy shoulder strap.

[Spartan]

The dynasty 280 is surprisingly light! Didn't realize how light it was until I just looked.

[TraditionalToolworks]

The dynasty 280 is surprisingly light! Didn't realize how light it was until I just looked.

Dynasty 280, light on your back, not on your pocket! (hey, that could be a commercial )

It's all horses for courses, I was looking at the 350EXT specs last night and your welder is 83 lbs., not bad for 350 amps, IMO. Weight is only one thing to consider, but as you get closer to 100 lbs. or even over, it's not something you can lift with one arm easily, or sling over your shoulder. It becomes something you need to brace yourself and lift with both arms, and not lift with your back.

I think even for the Dynasty 280 most people would have a cooler with it, but the fact you can grab it by itself easily and use it with a gas cooled torch is what gives it a huge advantage, runs off all voltage, and just a well designed box. It's just not cheap. But when do we find nicely designed products that are one of the most functional in their class be cheap? Doesn't seem to happen very often in my experience.

The Invertig 313 will surely find it's way into many shops, I would think it would compete with the Syncrowave 300, but is more portable, but close in price...$6k vs. $7k, so the spread is not as big as other units. I'm probably not a buyer for either.

[Oscar]

Well the power souce alone is $4395. Everything else is added-on options. The smart cooler is what raises the cost by about $1000.

[TraditionalToolworks]

Well the power souce alone is $4395. Everything else is added-on options. The smart cooler is what raises the cost by about $1000.

Well yeah, but getting that type of machine without a cooler would be pretty lame, wouldn't you agree?

The total package is like $6k with a cooler and cart and whatever goodies they provide. With the Syncrowave package you do get a wireless pedal.

[Oscar]

Yes but what I was getting at is that the Smart Cooler is not required since anyone can use the regular $450 Arctic Chill cooler and make their own cart. For those that already have a TIG cooler and a suitable cart, then they might not need to purchase anything else, except perhaps for a more heavy duty torch to handle the amperage.

[sbaker56]

I'm admittedly a bit of a idiot and stronger than my wallet is thick, so if it has a handle and weighs less than 200, its portable by my standards . Personally I wouldn't really pay a dollar more to make my 90lb Hobart 210MVP any lighter and I've carried it up and down stairs a few times. Now If I wasn't 25 or had to carry it up and down 10 flights of stairs every day, up ladders, scaffolding etc my opinion would needless to say be entirely different. But every Dynasty 280 I've ever seen has had an accompanying water cooler and cart which makes it a whole lot less portable regardless of weight.