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AC Tunsten Quiver

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:03 pm
by Nickpeaceclock
I’ve been welding for about 7 years, self employed for 8 months, and im having trouble fingering this out.

When tig welding thick aluminum (200+ amps) my tungsten quivers like crazy. It balls up like normal then droops down and jumps around. Usually happens when I’m welding for a long period of time or anytime I’m over 200amps.

My typical set up is with a 1/8 pure tunsten, 120 freq, 50/50 balance with straight argon. I’m not sticking the electrode out past the end of the cup more then 1/8.

Is there a better tungsten choice for 200+ amp AC welding? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Re: AC Tunsten Quiver

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:15 am
by weldin mike 27
Hey mate, yes there are many better choices for tungsten these days. In Australia, I don't believe you can even buy pure tungsten. I don't know what the colours are for brands where you are, but there's lanthanated and rare earth in varying compositions. This should provide you electrode stability

Re: AC Tunsten Quiver

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:29 am
by LtBadd
Nick welcome to the forum
It seems you have an inverter, pure tungsten is not recommended for the reasons you have seen yourself. Try using 2% lanthanated, and bump up the balance to 60-70% DCEN.

Let us know what machine you have.

Re: AC Tunsten Quiver

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:19 am
by Nickpeaceclock
What kind of lanthenated tungsten? 1.5% 2%? I’m using an everlast powertig 315lx. Thanks for the feedback!

Re: AC Tunsten Quiver

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:25 am
by motox
either will work but 2% is more common and available

Re: AC Tunsten Quiver

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:58 am
by pgk
LtBadd wrote:Nick welcome to the forum
It seems you have an inverter, pure tungsten is not recommended for the reasons you have seen yourself. Try using 2% lanthanated, and bump up the balance to 60-70% DCEN.

Let us know what machine you have.
What he said. :) Adjusting your Electrode negative to 60 to 70. I'm usually at 70 to 75 unless the aluminum is in bad shape

Re: AC Tunsten Quiver

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:04 am
by MinnesotaDave
Nickpeaceclock wrote:I’ve been welding for about 7 years, self employed for 8 months, and im having trouble fingering this out.

When tig welding thick aluminum (200+ amps) my tungsten quivers like crazy. It balls up like normal then droops down and jumps around. Usually happens when I’m welding for a long period of time or anytime I’m over 200amps.

My typical set up is with a 1/8 pure tunsten, 120 freq, 50/50 balance with straight argon. I’m not sticking the electrode out past the end of the cup more then 1/8.

Is there a better tungsten choice for 200+ amp AC welding? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
If you check an amperage chart for tungsten you'll find 1/8" pure only handles about 180-190 amps AC.

Whenever you get past the upper edge of current handling ability for any type, your tungsten will quiver like that.
If you go too far, the quiver turns into spraying tungsten like a consumable.

I've done that accidentally :( :o

I still use pure on my transformer based machine. But the other posters recommended you switch to 2% lanthanated on your inverter - I agree with them.

Re: AC Tunsten Quiver

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:15 pm
by JohnT
Hi, Im new here and a new hobby welder trying to teach myself to tig aluminum. So take my advise with a grain of salt. But...
I have a Powerpro 164 by everlast and reading the manual for my machine, it specifically states do not use pure tungsten.
Also, on mine the balance knob adjusts electrode positive. Which means if you set it at 70%, that is too high. 30-35% is more appropriate. Thats the reverse of many machines. Again, thats for MY machine but wouldn't be surprised if other everlasts are the same. Did you get a manual with your machine?