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How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:11 pm
by 88MOOSE88
I was modifying some pipe work another company had done it was schedule 10s stainless steel.

I wasn't allowed to take photos but the closest I could was this photo on google

http://www.tiptig-international.com/sspipingprint.html
It's the second row down, third one across.

I know this is that tip tig process, but it's that good and I know it was done with manual tig.

It was 6" pipe, I mean this root was very good looking and very consistent, it passed xray because it had coding numbers on it.

I don't know how this person did it.

What prep and gap do you think they used?

It's driving me insane

Any tips

Re: How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:32 pm
by rick9345
Tig wire feeder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... iS8YvElWBw

Skill and practice
Just a damm good welder
not the answer you wanted

A TamJeff/Zank type welder person

Re: How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:02 pm
by MinnesotaDave
For being world renowned - Mr. Tig has some of the worst welds on the internet.

There are far better examples of excellent welding out there.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ztfab+w ... 38&bih=526

ZTFab isn't the only one, check out John Marcella :)

http://www.marcellamanifolds.net/images ... v0rev0.jpg

Re: How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:17 pm
by AKweldshop
Lets see Mr. Tig do this.....



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Re: How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:38 pm
by MinnesotaDave
Mr. tig?? Yeah, not gonna happen 8-)

But one day I hope to get that good, when I grow up - 6 years until I'm 50, maybe I'll start growing up by then :D

.....then by the time I'm 80 I can start getting old, right on schedule :lol:

Re: How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:24 am
by MinnesotaDave
These are outstanding :D
(Not mine - MikeGyver from welding web)

http://s1123.photobucket.com/user/custo ... =slideshow

Here is just one stored there:
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Re: How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:36 pm
by motox
the coordination it takes to produce welds like that is something that
i guess few possess.

Re: How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:15 pm
by hardhatdiver
Stay away from tip tig. My company has one that just sits in the corner. They asked me to figure it out and after a full day of trying I got no where. I even talked with tip tig and they where useless. What ck has to offer looks promising but I can't talk work into it after the failure of the tip tig. Funny thing about the tip tig is two of the welders I work with went to learn it. But after getting back to the shop never could get it going. Sounded like if unless everything was set-up just right you weren't welding.

Re: How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:29 pm
by Superiorwelding
While I have never personally used a Tip Tig there is a company fairly local to me that does code welds on pipe and they have them. I was told they had one guy that spent a week developing procedures and then trains a few at a time for a week or so. They ordered one in, loved it and ordered something like 30-40 machines. I was also told that when set up a weldor with even little tig talent can get it down. I bring this up not to argue but to remind everyone it is all about perspective. I was talking to the local testing lab about them and they said that is the next "big thing" for tig pipe work. If I remember correctly its something like 300% increase in productivity per machine per day. Also, the lab has not tested anyone to date that has failed using this process.
-Jonathan

Re: How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:59 am
by weldin mike 27
@Hard hat diver. Was that Ed Craig from WeldReality. He seems to know all about TipTig. Havent seen anything bad about it.as Johnathon said, Ive heard its far easier to do quality welds than normal tig.

Re: How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:43 am
by zank
Well, at least Mr tig is consistent. Bird droppings feeding manually and bird droppings feeding automatically. He must have missed the first day of training when the instructor told the class that the arc doesn't melt the filler, the puddle does.

Re: How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:04 am
by MinnesotaDave
zank wrote:Well, at least Mr tig is consistent. Bird droppings feeding manually and bird droppings feeding automatically. He must have missed the first day of training when the instructor told the class that the arc doesn't melt the filler, the puddle does.
Exactly...

Re: How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:46 am
by dsmabe
I don't want to talk bad about anyone, but mr. World renowned makes me feel good about my welds! I'm self taught, about 1 1/2 years of welding steel and "aluminum", lol (inside joke), coils end to end. Then the past 3 months of occasionally getting to use my first tig machine, Everlast PowerTig 185 DV.

Re: How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:48 am
by rick9345
bashing is unseemly
a bad example is still only a teaching/learning tool
and is effective as a good example

Re: How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:33 am
by zank
My problem with the Mr tig videos is that a so-called, self-proclaimed expert demonstrates poor techniques. How is a beginner going to know?

Re: How is this done?? Please help me

Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:04 pm
by MinnesotaDave
rick9345 wrote:bashing is unseemly
a bad example is still only a teaching/learning tool
and is effective as a good example
I respectfully tend disagree that "a bad example... is as effective as a good example."

As an educator (and as a teacher of teachers) I've seen plenty of examples of poor teaching.
Never once have I considered those examples to be effective at educating kids.

Once someone is taught anything incorrectly, it takes much much more effort to correct the problem than it would have to teach it correctly in the first place.