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Anodized Aluminum and High Freq.

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:47 pm
by iflyboth
I am welding with an old Miller 330 A-BP. I'm having a hard time welding anodized marine tube. I find that I must remove all of the anodizing with abrasives before I can make a decent weld. This is very time consuming and tends to leave scratched areas around the welds. Would higher frequency (200 hrz) resolve this issue? Can the 330 A-BP be upgraded to allow welding thru the anodizing?

Re: Anodized Aluminum and High Freq.

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:24 pm
by weldin mike 27
Hey mate. Welcome aboard. If you search Tamjeff on this page, you will find a absolute master of the art you are talking about. Even uses pretty much the same machine as you.

Re: Anodized Aluminum and High Freq.

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:48 pm
by Oscar
from what I understand, anodizing is basically a VERY thick oxide layer, therefore I doubt higher frequency would solve it. If anything, I would think a greater percentage of EP would assist in this but I've never attempted tig welding on anodized parts.

Re: Anodized Aluminum and High Freq.

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:06 pm
by TRACKRANGER
We had a job come in last year that required aluminum MIG welding support brackets on anodized extrusions. We found that the only successful way was to remove the anodizing by grinding, then the welds were all easy to do. We used an EWM Phoenix MIG welder, which is setup and excellent for aluminum work, but we couldn't get as good a result unless we removed the anodizing first.

TamJeff is the master though. He'll chip in hopefully.

Best
Trevor

Re: Anodized Aluminum and High Freq.

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:09 pm
by weldin mike 27
If he doesn't, the basic idea is called bump welding. You set the welder hot and go on off on off on off. That way you have it hot enough to get through the coating, but the overall heat is reduced because of the stop start. A torch switch is really good for this.

Re: Anodized Aluminum and High Freq.

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:37 pm
by Braehill
iflyboth,
Your foot pedal (if you have one) should have a remote contact switch in it, and if you set your amperage control to panel and the contactor to remote, the pedal acts just like a torch switch. Then set the amps to 200 or somewhere north of there depending on how thick the base metal is. Hit the pedal and it should go instantly to 200 amps and form a puddle (couple seconds), add filler rod to the leading edge, remove, let off pedal, advance. Rinse, lather, repeat.

This process is a lot easier with an inverter where you can control the pulse, balance, and freq. but it's not impossible with an old school transformer. By the way the high freq. doesn't have anything to do with busting up the oxide layer, just keeps the arc alive through the polarity changes.

Len

Re: Anodized Aluminum and High Freq.

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:38 pm
by iflyboth
Tried the bump on/off, seems to work, but I'm worried that it may not be too kind to the old machine.

Re: Anodized Aluminum and High Freq.

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:43 pm
by iflyboth
Thanks for the info, I'll give the bump another try, and perhaps add a thumb switch too.

Re: Anodized Aluminum and High Freq.

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:06 pm
by Braehill
iflyboth,
If you can kill an old Miller A-BP then you'll be the first one. They're older than most of the membership here and harder to kill than stinkbugs, so I wouldn't worry.

Len

Re: Anodized Aluminum and High Freq.

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:08 pm
by iflyboth
Once again, thank you for the info. I'm looking forward to trying it out.

Re: Anodized Aluminum and High Freq.

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:32 pm
by soutthpaw
Braehill wrote:iflyboth,
If you can kill an old Miller A-BP then you'll be the first one. They're older than most of the membership here and harder to kill than stinkbugs, so I wouldn't worry.

Len
This ^
You won't kill an ABP . Simple as that...