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Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:08 am
by racingparts
Hello to everybody on this forum!! I'm Mac
i'm new here, all the way from Romania
i just started my tig welding and the videos on youtube helped a lot i might say.

i have a problem welding a 1,5mm thick pipe on the 3mm alu plate
do you have any advice on how to do that?
the problem is the pipe that is thinner then the plate .so it melts

this is exactly what i must obtain, so if you have some tips about how to do it, i would be gratefull
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Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:16 pm
by rickbreezy
my advice is to weld a bead on the plate first, then to turn your amperag down and connect that bead to the pipe by welding. this will give you tighter control in what you are doing, and the weld bead will melt quicker than if you had only the 2 peices. this is hrd to explain though, do you understand?

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:24 pm
by tigmaster
no, forget that crap, just focus more of your heat to tthicker plate and move quick, alum heats up quick

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:48 pm
by jakeru
Angle your torch so the tungsten is pointing more at the thicker, continuous plate than the thinner, pipe edge. That should transfer more arc heat into the thicker, continuous section, to the point where if you do it just right, you'll have similar sized puddles on both sides, at about the same time. You need to also not be too tentative about it, and use enough current (IE: use full expected welding current) to get this to work. Otherwise with too weak an amount of current, the arc may just jump around erratically, and you'll have no directional control with your torch.

When you have your two puddles formed of similar size on each side of the welding gap, with split second timing and filler rod feeding hand accuracy, dab the end of your filler rod right between the two puddles. When its all going well, surface tension pulls the film of the two puddles tight into a single puddle, making them into one fused molten puddle. Then, move your torch a bit alog the weld bead, wait for the puddle to melt into a "C" shape, and when you see that "C" shape dab your filler into the middle to make surface tension pull the puddle tight into one round puddle again. Repeat, over and over again.

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:56 pm
by tigmaster
and u gotta move quick...good explanation up thereto bro

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:21 pm
by racingparts
thanks a lot guys!
Monday i will give it a try
today i practiced some T welding am stacked a lot of dimes in order to do it right
also worked with the settings a lot in order to find the best settings for everything that i have to weld

i still have to get right welding the shape of L on the outside 90° angle, i'll try it again with less amperage in order not to melt the edge. Any advice for this one? (it's same as welding a box) don't seem to get it right for now

For the 3mm plate the amperage i use is 70A base current (BC)and 140 Pulse current (PC), PW 0,5 pulse width, 1.6mm or 2.4 tungsten and 6cup size
30% AC balance and AC freq 100Hz
this is my welder Image

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:08 am
by pro mod steve
I am a noob still and probably will always be since there is so much to learn please don't bash me too much. Could the frequency be turned up to put more focus on the torch? just a thought.

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:58 pm
by Joe
Interesting that the welder in the picture looks exactly like my Everlast PowerPro 205 except for the color.

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:47 pm
by racingparts
Joe wrote:Interesting that the welder in the picture looks exactly like my Everlast PowerPro 205 except for the color.
both are made in china :oops:
but let's say the quality it's great and dont cost a few pennies but over 1000$

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:22 pm
by tigmaster
wow really....where do u get that machine...ive got a miller lift arc 150...would love to have alum cap.

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:57 am
by Joe
Check out Everlast Welders for a USA source.

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:15 pm
by racingparts
i can't make those welds :oops:
i cant make a nice weld around the small pipe like in the photo
it's more difficult than i thought
tomorrow i'll give it another try

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:33 pm
by dustelf
racingparts wrote:i can't make those welds :oops:
i cant make a nice weld around the small pipe like in the photo
it's more difficult than i thought
tomorrow i'll give it another try
wow, so welding is not that easy afterall, i bet a monkey can do it tho...

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:40 pm
by racingparts
welding the T, L forms are ok now, i have no problem doing those
but the pipe i cant
i'm welding it , but it doesn't look so nice as in the photo
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Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:29 am
by dustelf
de weld in the foto is defective anyway.

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:32 am
by racingparts
dustelf wrote:de weld in the foto is defective anyway.
for what's is needed it's more than perfect
any good advice about how to do it?

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:42 am
by dustelf
no, it's far from perfect, you just don't know that.

and for advise , go to UTS Timisoara and learn to weld before you kill someone.

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:04 am
by mrprism
dustelf wrote:no, it's far from perfect, you just don't know that.
Could you please enlighten us as to why these welds are "far from perfect" and possibly could kill someone? I'm trying to see what you're talking about but the only thing I'm seeing is the small crater left after the arc start in the bead. I thought the welds look really good :?: then again I'm not a welding inspector either.

Alan

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:22 am
by dustelf
mrprism wrote:
dustelf wrote:no, it's far from perfect, you just don't know that.
Could you please enlighten us as to why these welds are "far from perfect" and possibly could kill someone? I'm trying to see what you're talking about but the only thing I'm seeing is the small crater left after the arc start in the bead. I thought the welds look really good :?: then again I'm not a welding inspector either.

Alan
First that crater is at the end of the weld not at the start, it is called an end crater also.
You should know a weld can look "really" good and still not be good at the same time, don't have to be an welding inspector, and btw there are 2 end craters in that pic, one is better , but i had microfissures in craters looking better then that.
That part is going to be on a motorcycle, would you ride a bike whith parts welded by someone who learns Tig welding on youtube?

And then those are not his welds, he is trying to copy what you see in that foto.

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:30 am
by Remi
jakeru wrote:When you have your two puddles formed of similar size on each side of the welding gap, with split second timing and filler rod feeding hand accuracy, dab the end of your filler rod right between the two puddles. When its all going well, surface tension pulls the film of the two puddles tight into a single puddle, making them into one fused molten puddle. Then, move your torch a bit alog the weld bead, wait for the puddle to melt into a "C" shape, and when you see that "C" shape dab your filler into the middle to make surface tension pull the puddle tight into one round puddle again. Repeat, over and over again.
This the best "How to start a fillet weld" description I've ever read. Hats off !

Remi

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:13 pm
by sschefer
Hey guy's Dustelf is right, those weld craters will form cracks and if you look a bit closer, the welds are also contaminated and porous.

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:22 pm
by anthonyfawley
A good weld could be ugly.. but more importantly a good looking weld could also be dangerous

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:55 am
by BLAZO
Hi bro. I would preheet 3 mm plate and then weld them together. It will lower the gap of melting point.
Sorry for my bad English.

Re: Help for welding alu pipe on plate

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:01 am
by racingparts
i'm starting to think that preheat is the only way to go
i'll give it a try, and lower the amps in order not to blow the pipe that melts instantly otherwise