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Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:45 pm
by jdf_63077
I am welding Ar400 in the floor of a dump truck that has a heated bed. I got a funny look from the guys when I asked if I should be using straight co2. (Oh yes forgot to mention it's my 1st week on the job)
They pointed me to a bottle of airgas gold mix and said that will be fine. I can't get it a constant bead is it the gas ,ar400 or just me
I'm not sure of the wire type because it's been used and tag gone but I know it's dual sheild.
Any help at all would be great

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:06 am
by AKweldshop
jdf_63077 wrote:I am welding Ar400 in the floor of a dump truck that has a heated bed. I got a funny look from the guys when I asked if I should be using straight co2. (Oh yes forgot to mention it's my 1st week on the job)
They pointed me to a bottle of airgas gold mix and said that will be fine. I can't get it a constant bead is it the gas ,ar400 or just me
I'm not sure of the wire type because it's been used and tag gone but I know it's dual sheild.
Any help at all would be great

Well,
First off,
I need to know your settings.
Wire dia, type, voltage, ipm, stick out, work angle, gas mix, flow rate, polarity, thickness of steel and the joint configuration.

Then I might have a remote possibility of helping you. :)

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:06 pm
by Otto Nobedder
Give the guys the "funny look" right back. They're F#$king with you, and waiting for you to ask.

Ask.

They'll only respect you for figuring it out yourself if you actually figure it out for yourself. They'll respect you far more (though it won't seem that way; They'll give you a hard time) for asking how to do it right.

These guys know the process, the materials, and the machines. Swallow your pride, and ask the elders.

Steve S

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:27 pm
by jdf_63077
I didn't put that info on there because I wanted to make sure what they were
It was 7100 ultra now it's 7100LC .o45
I was running 19.0 volts at around 230-240 ipm hard to be real accurate it's an old feeder
I'm flowing airgas gold blend doesn't really say % at about 40
It's 3/16 AR 400 plate the joint is flat floor with 45° angle up to to the wall with no bevel cut. It's makes a one-sided V
little bit of a slope front to back
It's inside a building so no noticeable wind
That's all I got
P.s.
There's a lot of difference between ultra and LC settings those were my ultra I haven't try dialing the LC wire yet ran out of time
Thanks a bunch for even reading it

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:09 am
by jdf_63077
New settings are 32.5 volts at 270 ipm with the 7100LC wire

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:49 pm
by Otto Nobedder
jdf_63077 wrote:New settings are 32.5 volts at 270 ipm with the 7100LC wire
Then, scratch what I said... It sounds like you figured it out for yourself, and that should earn you some respect in your new job.

Steve S

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:18 pm
by jdf_63077
Sorry I meant 23.5 volts I just kept playing with it until it sounded like bacon frying and the slag came off easy
Not sure if luck or knowledge got me through this one

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:04 pm
by Otto Nobedder
jdf_63077 wrote:.../Not sure if luck or knowledge got me through this one
Robert Burns, the Scottish poet, said, "With luck, Muck'll do for brains."

I'll take luck when I get it.

Steve S

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:31 pm
by jdf_63077
As my old boss always said
"2 heads are better than 1 even if one is a head of cabbage"
. I wrote down the settings in my notebook for the next time or new hire that asks
Thanks for hanging in there

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:02 am
by Superiorwelding
jdf_63077 wrote:Sorry I meant 23.5 volts I just kept playing with it until it sounded like bacon frying and the slag came off easy
Not sure if luck or knowledge got me through this one
I saw you voltage and thought there is no way. Glad you worked things out on your own!
-Jonathan

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:21 am
by jdf_63077
It just shows them that I can do more than close my eyes and pull a trigger

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:21 am
by DennisZ
jdf_63077 wrote:It just shows them that I can do more than close my eyes and pull a trigger

See, there's your problem. "Here" most guys use a helmet so you can actually see what you are doing... :lol: :roll: :lol:

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:27 am
by jdf_63077
I have one but it's pretty and I hate to get it dirty [FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY][SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH][SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH AND SMILING EYES]

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:25 am
by exnailpounder
DennisZ wrote:
jdf_63077 wrote:It just shows them that I can do more than close my eyes and pull a trigger

See, there's your problem. "Here" most guys use a helmet so you can actually see what you are doing... :lol: :roll: :lol:
Hey Wait a Minute....I'm supposed to be wearing a helmet? Since when? Is this new technology? ;)

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:54 am
by weldin mike 27
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Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:06 am
by DennisZ
exnailpounder wrote:
DennisZ wrote:
jdf_63077 wrote:It just shows them that I can do more than close my eyes and pull a trigger

See, there's your problem. "Here" most guys use a helmet so you can actually see what you are doing... :lol: :roll: :lol:
Hey Wait a Minute....I'm supposed to be wearing a helmet? Since when? Is this new technology? ;)

You could do like our contractor. Welding anchors to be poured in concrete to support steel columns. Welded with sunglasses...

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:16 pm
by Otto Nobedder
Superiorwelding wrote:
jdf_63077 wrote:Sorry I meant 23.5 volts I just kept playing with it until it sounded like bacon frying and the slag came off easy
Not sure if luck or knowledge got me through this one
I saw you voltage and thought there is no way. Glad you worked things out on your own!
-Jonathan
Hell, I thought he was spray-arcing it. We've got a Lincoln CV305 at work that will spray-arc at those settings with 75/25 gas!

23.5V makes more sense.

Steve S

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:33 pm
by GreinTime
exnailpounder wrote: Hey Wait a Minute....I'm supposed to be wearing a helmet? Since when? Is this new technology? ;)
Why would you think that?

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:17 am
by exnailpounder
GreinTime wrote:
exnailpounder wrote: Hey Wait a Minute....I'm supposed to be wearing a helmet? Since when? Is this new technology? ;)
Why would you think that?
I dunno...I keep reading about welding helmets and can't figure out what all the fuss is about. Just squint real tight..you'll be fine :D ..........sarcasm off...for those who don't get it... 8-) ...Hey Grein...your argon is running!!

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:26 pm
by GreinTime
Man I'm glad someone got my sarcasm for once this weekend lol, I was feeling unfunny for sure!

Re: Welding Ar400 Plate with dual sheild

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:38 pm
by weldin mike 27
Hey mister.... I think your argon is running. Better go catch it.