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Problem with mig welding heavy equipment
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:32 pm
by Bls repair
Welding
Re: Problem with mig welding heavy equipment
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:36 pm
by Bls repair
Cleaning up the breaks
Re: Problem with mig welding heavy equipment
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:40 pm
by Bls repair
Here’s the problem
Re: Problem with mig welding heavy equipment
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:50 pm
by Bls repair
More problems.
Re: Problem with mig welding heavy equipment
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:26 pm
by JayWal
Thats a nice example of a good looking mig weld that is actually garbage.
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Re: Problem with mig welding heavy equipment
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:23 pm
by Poland308
JayWal wrote:Thats a nice example of a good looking mig weld that is actually garbage.
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Might adjust my opinion a bit. That weld split in the center. Says to me that the weld had a stress point, hole or crack, at the beginning of the bead. That led to a stress point. Bad weld would have torn away from one side or the other if it was cold. Posible that the weld was undersized but that comes down to a design or Qa issues. Split in the middle says the weld held to its max capacity to both sides but couldn’t deal with max forces.
Re: Problem with mig welding heavy equipment
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:59 pm
by Bls repair
There’s a metal plate that runs between the two welds
Re: Problem with mig welding heavy equipment
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:01 pm
by JayWal
Poland308 wrote:JayWal wrote:Thats a nice example of a good looking mig weld that is actually garbage.
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Might adjust my opinion a bit. That weld split in the center. Says to me that the weld had a stress point, hole or crack, at the beginning of the bead. That led to a stress point. Bad weld would have torn away from one side or the other if it was cold. Posible that the weld was undersized but that comes down to a design or Qa issues. Split in the middle says the weld held to its max capacity to both sides but couldn’t deal with max forces.
Looks to me like a 3 pass weld, and it split right along where 1 pass is laid onto the previous one. But it gets a little blurry when you zoom in that far. You might be right
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Re: Problem with mig welding heavy equipment
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:03 pm
by JayWal
Bls repair wrote:There’s a metal plate that runs between the two welds
Ah ok. Gotcha.
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Re: Problem with mig welding heavy equipment
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:24 pm
by weldin mike 27
I do believe that the issue here is people using a mig but not keeping the proper travel speed. It's easy to go slow and think you are putting in a big weld, but really you are just putting in caulk. If you go fast enough to keep the wire chewing into the base metal, she ain't going anywhere. But it may require multiple runs.
Long story short, mig is easy to get wrong. No safety net, as jody says.
Re: Problem with mig welding heavy equipment
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:41 pm
by Bls repair
Where the split is you can see the factory edge with NO marks on it
Re: Problem with mig welding heavy equipment
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:48 pm
by JayWal
weldin mike 27 wrote:I do believe that the issue here is people using a mig but not keeping the proper travel speed. It's easy to go slow and think you are putting in a big weld, but really you are just putting in caulk. If you go fast enough to keep the wire chewing into the base metal, she ain't going anywhere. But it may require multiple runs.
Long story short, mig is easy to get wrong. No safety net, as jody says.
Yep kinda what I was trying to say. I got nothing against mig, but it is possible to get a weld that looks good, but has zero penetration.
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Re: Problem with mig welding heavy equipment
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:20 pm
by Poland308
I agree. I have a Mig machine but it’s my las option I chose. Don’t get me wrong it has it’s place but like said it’s easier to mess up than to get right. Good enough isn’t always right.
Re: Problem with mig welding heavy equipment
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:18 am
by tweake
weldin mike 27 wrote:
Long story short, mig is easy to get wrong. No safety net, as jody says.
this is why stick is better to learn welding with.
Re: Problem with mig welding heavy equipment
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:47 am
by weldin mike 27
You should always learn how to walk properly before you try to jog