I know a few great aluminum welders. What we all have in common is, we are likely great at weld joints that we do most frequently and that our stations are set up for. Switch jobs for a day, and it is most assured that we are going to suck, for a few tries anyway. Often times, we will come across random parts that we are not familiar with and in amp ranges we are not accustomed to. This all needs to be worked out initially. For a 5.00 fitting, how much time do you actually want to spend? Do you want to change collets and tungstens? I don't. At most I want to walk to the machine and move one knob, one time, and get it done.
How about you at home guys? Can you afford extra parts/materials for test runs? Or for us shop guys who work for places that will not keep extra inventory for one-offs. So, what do we do? Well. . .I am here to admit that I cheat like a emm-effr. It's unorthodox, undocumented and likely unacceptable. At least to the armchair rocket scientists on the internet. Do we care? Most of us don't, and would probably bet our reputations on what we do, when it comes right down to it.
I needed to get NPT threads onto some quirky part. What I do have is a, 1/2" NPT bung. Thing is, I don't want to change out the torch guts or mess with the flow meter or any voltage/peak/freq or pulse settings. I want to clamp this thing to my table and get it right the first time. I want it to look I knew what I was doing, instead of someone knowing I struggled through it. Most of us know you will get good at these on the last one of a half a dozen of them otherwise.
Anyway, I made my own female adapter. I didn't stand any special way, brace myself, hover, or compensate for too much caffiene. This is what we have. It's 1" sched 40 anodized. Scraps of this galore. But I am not going to try to weld this short piece.
We'll end up with something like this, or this is where it will go eventually.
The bung is too small for the I.D. of the 1", so I use a little wedge to set the gap I want and hold the bung somewhat evenly. I didn't change tungsten so it needs to kind of fit the 1/8 pure I am using. No hovering, no stress. Just lay the torch right on the table, aim it where you want it, flip your hood down, or scratch your nose or whatever, and it will stay right where you put it. If your boss is yammerin at you from across the shop, you can even look like you are paying attention to him. For some of us older guys, a standing nap, perhaps, and at 200 amps AC, penetration is assured. Get the first tack and then tweak the parts straighter, or overcompensate the opposite side to allow for shrinkage of the tack to pull it dead nuts perfect. Look at the torch just sitting there. All I have to do is push the button. ZZZZZZZZZZZZT. Done.
The cheating part? I have gotten so relaxed with the torch just laying there, I decided to let lay on every part of the joint. I bump welded it with manual pulse in reverse travel. I could see the tungsten and the penetration just like this, 3/4 of the way around, both right handed, and left handed. I could see the spaces of my ripples without the torch in the way and there is all the room in the world to add filler, exactly how and where I wanted it. Resting the torch on each pulse, takes away at least 75% of left handed error and almost all of the caffiene effect. Better yet is, I can stop instantly if it starts to get away and I also have the residual flashlight that in inclusive with balled, pure tungsten. I can make my corrections while it is still glowing and redirect my arc again before it goes out. No cable over the shoulder, no overhand torch holding, which alone adds about an additional 60 degrees or so of articulation at the torch head, comparatively, and I can flame dress my puddles as I go with just a bit of a back step.
The part comes out like you weld them every day. The weld is clean and it's edges straight and crisp.The gap that was set in the parts initially, aligns the cup and tungsten perfectly, so all you have to do is rock the ball of the tungsten down in, and then out as you add filler. Bump the torch back another puddle and let it rest on the joint again and hit the button. zzzzzzzt zzzzzzzt zzzzzzzzt zzzzzzzzt zzzzzzzzzt and then zzt,zzt,zt to kill the crater, and timed at intervals just about how it reads in text. 200 amps sinks it home perfectly every time without burn thru or warping the threads.
I welded it to the longer scrap as I found it. No sense cutting it twice and it gives you something to be able to hold onto to reposition it without burning gloves or monkeying with pliers.
No, it's no great project but I think a lot of people could find the tactic useful for small and odd parts.
What welding projects are you working on? Are you proud of something you built?
How about posting some pics so other welders can get some ideas?
How about posting some pics so other welders can get some ideas?
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I LOVE the "standing nap" comment. Been there, done that...
And great advice on thinking through and solving a "one-off", with "thinking" being the operative word.
Steve S
And great advice on thinking through and solving a "one-off", with "thinking" being the operative word.
Steve S
Always entertaining to read through your posts. "Resting the torch on each pulse, takes away at least 75% of left handed error and almost all of the caffeine effect."
p.s. Nice work boots in picture 3, OSHA approved?
p.s. Nice work boots in picture 3, OSHA approved?
Go break something, then you can weld it back the right way.
Steve, there has to be another use for welding hoods. They contain nearly all the essentials for a good nap. Darkness, anonymity, and safety. lol
No real foot danger in my shop. As far as OSHA, I figure as long as the rest of me is dressed casual, I can always put the torch down and act like a customer claiming I was just looking at it. lol
Funny thing about OSHA from my experience and the one time I actually needed a hard hat. One time I was on a commercial construction site and we were sitting down taking lunch, hard hats and all that. So I am sitting there eating a Cuban sandwich, and suddenly, the temporary power pole (a pt 8x8 with a large electric panel box on it) comes crashing down on my head and I nearly bit through my tongue and it knocked me off my bucket. My brother jumps up and is across the floor like a flash, all up in some guys face about to work him over good. Turns out, someone had an extension cord with tape on it and the OSHA inspector, picked it up and yanked it to prove some sort of point. It was tied to the pole.
No real foot danger in my shop. As far as OSHA, I figure as long as the rest of me is dressed casual, I can always put the torch down and act like a customer claiming I was just looking at it. lol
Funny thing about OSHA from my experience and the one time I actually needed a hard hat. One time I was on a commercial construction site and we were sitting down taking lunch, hard hats and all that. So I am sitting there eating a Cuban sandwich, and suddenly, the temporary power pole (a pt 8x8 with a large electric panel box on it) comes crashing down on my head and I nearly bit through my tongue and it knocked me off my bucket. My brother jumps up and is across the floor like a flash, all up in some guys face about to work him over good. Turns out, someone had an extension cord with tape on it and the OSHA inspector, picked it up and yanked it to prove some sort of point. It was tied to the pole.
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On larger aluminum pieces that take a bit to heat up, anything under 200 amps gets a little squirrely with 1/8" tungsten on AC, at least initially. I don't even know if we have 3/32. We probably do but when we are talking 3-400 welds/day, changing the setup just seems a chore. I can weld really thin/light stuff with an 1/8". Just have to focus more.
I still stand by the notion that you can teach someone AC aluminum TIG much easier with balled pure. That's how everyone should start out welding AC. Use it until you conquer the process. Instead of going back and forth about custom machine settings, specific tungsten grinds and all that. We had perfect aluminum welds way before technology fixed it for us.
I still stand by the notion that you can teach someone AC aluminum TIG much easier with balled pure. That's how everyone should start out welding AC. Use it until you conquer the process. Instead of going back and forth about custom machine settings, specific tungsten grinds and all that. We had perfect aluminum welds way before technology fixed it for us.
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We have all been caught at itFat Bob wrote:Always entertaining to read through your posts. "Resting the torch on each pulse, takes away at least 75% of left handed error and almost all of the caffeine effect."
p.s. Nice work boots in picture 3, OSHA approved?
Don't sweat the small stuff
John
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nice job, TamJeff
I'll haft to keep practicing my Alum Tig
Thanks for sharing
John
I'll haft to keep practicing my Alum Tig
Thanks for sharing
John
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I must be missing something - when did you add filler?
It sounds like you are just fusing the aluminum together?
"Standing nap" - that's why I like to run stick hot enough to drag the flux on the metal
Edit: never mind - I see it now, must be a blind reading day for me
It sounds like you are just fusing the aluminum together?
"Standing nap" - that's why I like to run stick hot enough to drag the flux on the metal
Edit: never mind - I see it now, must be a blind reading day for me
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Tried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
I often get photos on the fly more than any kind of orderly fashion so my postings may be a little tricky. Sometimes I just forget to altogether. Some projects I wish I would have and maybe even meant to but much of the time, you just can't wait for them to be out the door and with novelties wearing off and all that.
I did actually weld the part posted above onto something and snapped the photo days later. lol
It's a fish cleaning table with a swinging spray wand dealie that I think is possibly the dorkiest thing I have ever made. Whole time I keep thinking to myself. . ."One of those kitchen sprayer nozzles would be so much more practical." It's essentially just one more yuppie attempt to complicate something as benign as cleaning fish. These dorks (yuppies) have ruined everything they have put their hands on. From Harley bikes to fishing boats. Us old hands keep thinking. . ."Good grief. . .we ironed all this out 40 years ago and here we are again learning allover again what doesn't work. We could save everybody a LOT of time if they would just take our word for it!"
I did actually weld the part posted above onto something and snapped the photo days later. lol
It's a fish cleaning table with a swinging spray wand dealie that I think is possibly the dorkiest thing I have ever made. Whole time I keep thinking to myself. . ."One of those kitchen sprayer nozzles would be so much more practical." It's essentially just one more yuppie attempt to complicate something as benign as cleaning fish. These dorks (yuppies) have ruined everything they have put their hands on. From Harley bikes to fishing boats. Us old hands keep thinking. . ."Good grief. . .we ironed all this out 40 years ago and here we are again learning allover again what doesn't work. We could save everybody a LOT of time if they would just take our word for it!"
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Take our word for it? Yuppies and kids would both save time Although 40 years ago I was only 3TamJeff wrote:I often get photos on the fly more than any kind of orderly fashion so my postings may be a little tricky. Sometimes I just forget to altogether. Some projects I wish I would have and maybe even meant to but much of the time, you just can't wait for them to be out the door and with novelties wearing off and all that.
I did actually weld the part posted above onto something and snapped the photo days later. lol
It's a fish cleaning table with a swinging spray wand dealie that I think is possibly the dorkiest thing I have ever made. Whole time I keep thinking to myself. . ."One of those kitchen sprayer nozzles would be so much more practical." It's essentially just one more yuppie attempt to complicate something as benign as cleaning fish. These dorks (yuppies) have ruined everything they have put their hands on. From Harley bikes to fishing boats. Us old hands keep thinking. . ."Good grief. . .we ironed all this out 40 years ago and here we are again learning allover again what doesn't work. We could save everybody a LOT of time if they would just take our word for it!"
From your welding description, sounds like you only use a torch switch and no foot control?
If so, why no pedal? (Sorry if you've answered it before)
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Tried being normal once, didn't take....I think it was a Tuesday.
Rarely use a foot control unless I weld stainless which I cannot really see too well anymore.i could if I welded SS for a few days to get the focus back, but not going right from Aluminum.
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