[Oscar]

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[Rupes]

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Well done to him to get them on board.

Its a $1200 inverter stick welder, yes tig too but lift tig and most of those little welders can get set up that way. A long way off the usual stuff he has on there.

I think he just needs to bump up the research/info bit on his videos and it would go a long way. Like why is it so expensive? VRD? target market i.e. mining, plant equipment maintenance on site etc.

[Oscar]

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Well done to him to get them on board.

Its a $1200 inverter stick welder, yes tig too but lift tig and most of those little welders can get set up that way. A long way off the usual stuff he has on there.

I think he just needs to bump up the research/info bit on his videos and it would go a long way. Like why is it so expensive? VRD? target market i.e. mining, plant equipment maintenance on site etc.

I'm not even looking at any of that stuff, lol. Just the sheer capability of the machine. My stick welder (really tig welder) won't even come close to that welding amperage on 120V 20A power.

[PeteM]

The extension chord thing is cool I guess, being that AC was designed to run long distance with little drop, but what I'd like to see is a small machine with umph to push DC through a couple hundred feet of weld lead.

Granted, extension chord is way less expensive than weld lead, but that was more a demonstration of extension chords and generator than weld machine.

But thats my skeptical side talking. I would totally use that machine, no question about it.

[MinnesotaDave]

It's cool, I'd buy it if I needed one and wanted to spend in that price range.

Interesting programming options too.

[Oscar]

The extension chord thing is cool I guess, being that AC was designed to run long distance with little drop, but what I'd like to see is a small machine with umph to push DC through a couple hundred feet of weld lead.

Hmm. With all due respect, that doesn't make any sense, to me That doesn't have anything to do with the machine, but with whether or not the operator has sized the welding leads to the correct gauge. The machine can only see the wire as resistance (with DC). Either you control it, or you don't. If you under-size the leads to begin with then that is applied handicap, not an inherent one. Remember ohms law? The only thing that opposes the current (with a given amount of voltage), is the resistance.

[Rupes]

Pushing DC long distances would require bumping up the voltage unfortunately. Other option is lower resistance i.e thicker cables. This has a VRD i'm pretty sure, so it drops the open circuit voltage to under probably 20 or 30 volts. May be able to weld at lower voltages too. Lower voltage and you can up the current while still showing the same load on the supply circuit.


I keep forgetting about the 120V thing. That sucks, I know the UK has 220/240 supply however I've noticed they've now dropped to 120 or 110 V for building sites I think. For some kind of safety reason or another. Really does hamstring your ability to run anything heavy.

[Rupes]

It's cool, I'd buy it if I needed one and wanted to spend in that price range.

Interesting programming options too.

I picked up a similar VRD inverter unit to this without the 6010 function for a few hundred bucks on ebay a few years ago. Was parted out from an auction lot that came from a mining maintenance company. No competition bid wise at the time as not many people see value in buying this (with a similar new price to the Fronius) used for $300 vs buying a brand new 180amp stick welder from the hardware chain for the same amount or less.

Just re-watched the start. It does have voltage reduction device. Only works on open circuit I think but must be a safety requirement on certain sites.

[Oscar]

It's cool, I'd buy it if I needed one and wanted to spend in that price range.

Interesting programming options too.

The soon to be released HTP 200A, 15lb inverter dedicated stick welder caught my attention as well as this one.

[PeteM]

The extension chord thing is cool I guess, being that AC was designed to run long distance with little drop, but what I'd like to see is a small machine with umph to push DC through a couple hundred feet of weld lead.

Hmm. With all due respect, that doesn't make any sense, to me That doesn't have anything to do with the machine, but with whether or not the operator has sized the welding leads to the correct gauge. The machine can only see the wire as resistance (with DC). Either you control it, or you don't. If you under-size the leads to begin with then that is applied handicap, not an inherent one. Remember ohms law? The only thing that opposes the current (with a given amount of voltage), is the resistance.

I get ohms law. What I mean is that the weld circuit is going to be the same no matter where he puts the machine. There are 2 power supplies in that system. The generator to the welder, and the welder. It just occurred to me as he was talking about the power of the machine that the machine is pushing through 20 ft. of weld circuit whether it was right next to the truck or 150 feet away.

Economically it is far better to run through a 100 ft. extension cord at $50 some bucks than to run through 200 ft. of 4/0 at $800.00.

[ryanjames170]

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Well done to him to get them on board.

Its a $1200 inverter stick welder, yes tig too but lift tig and most of those little welders can get set up that way. A long way off the usual stuff he has on there.

I think he just needs to bump up the research/info bit on his videos and it would go a long way. Like why is it so expensive? VRD? target market i.e. mining, plant equipment maintenance on site etc.

i would say going off the specs.. its got top of the line stuff inside.. also i think the company is one of the top of the line ones in Europe..

[ldbtx]

Although Lanse didn't explain it as such, to me the amazing part of the demo was that the welder was still functioning properly given the inevitable voltage drop in 250' of cable between the generator and the welder. That speaks very well of the tolerance of the unit for operating on low voltage.

[Oscar]

Although Lanse didn't explain it as such, to me the amazing part of the demo was that the welder was still functioning properly given the inevitable voltage drop in 250' of cable between the generator and the welder. That speaks very well of the tolerance of the unit for operating on low voltage.

Exactly. He kinda inferred it by his amazement of how it was still welding at 120A over such a long extension. I wouldn't doubt if the unit was seeing 100V or so.

[PeteM]

Here's a voltage drop calculator. I used [120v., single phase AC @ 60hz].,[ 6awg., @ 77F, pvc conduit, single set of conductors, @ 150 ft.] with a load of 30 amps. The result was .4% voltage drop, which equals 119.52 volts to the machine.

http://www.nooutage.com/vdrop.htm

[PeteM]

On the other hand,

using [ DC at 20v.] [4/0 awg. @ 77degrees, pvc conduit, single set of conductors, @150 ft.] [load= 120 amps]

gives 9.2% drop or 18.16 volts.

[Oscar]

Those numbers are mathematically correct, but how do they apply to the scenario depicted in the video?

[PeteM]

Because the drop on ac voltage is negligible.

The machine could be next to his truck, plugged into a wall or 150 feet away. With AC circuitry, it makes almost no difference.

Hence my comment that it is a good demonstration of extension chords.

[Oscar]

Because the drop on ac voltage is negligible.

The machine could be next to his truck, plugged into a wall or 150 feet away. With AC circuitry, it makes almost no difference.

Hence my comment that it is a good demonstration of extension chords.

Not quite. He was not using 6 gauge AC extension cords. I would bet that most were 14 or 12 gauge. It's only as good as the weakest link. Also, he was at, what, 200+ ft away? I'm telling you, ~100V. Try the same calculation with 12awg wires, 250 ft, and see what you get. AC is great, but it is in no way shape or form insusceptible to voltage loss over long lengths. If it was insusceptible, AC voltage drop calculators wouldn't exist.

[PeteM]

Ah, ya got me.

Either you control it, or you don't. If you under-size the leads to begin with then that is applied handicap, not an inherent one.

Still great for welders all the way around though. No longer needing to run a bunch of lead from the truck to the work is a big advantage, and cost savings if they haven't already done so.

[sedanman]

I want one, but I also want the new one coming from HTP. And my Esab 161 is all that l really "need". How many machines is "too many"?

[Oscar]

I want one, but I also want the new one coming from HTP. And my Esab 161 is all that l really "need". How many machines is "too many"?

Would be awesome if you had all 3!

[sedanman]

I'm good with that, just need to convince the wife, lol.

[sedanman]

Oscar for president, lol.

[ryanjames170]

I read threw the tech specs and

the welder on 120V is only running 28A when at its 120A output current at 24.8V and that adds up about right with its quoted efficiency of 89% at 120A also i can handle voltage from 96 to 138V

basically its huge tolerance for voltage and its very high efficiency is why it can weld 120A output on 150 feet of cord on 120V AC

what i would like to see him to is hook it upto the shop wall circut and try this out.. as IIRC the welder generator he has the ability to pump out 88A on 120V so basically it would matter not how far he got away from that generator as long as he could keep the at machine voltage above 96V AC.. I dont think he was thinking of this fact at all when he shot the video or he knew it.. and why he did not run it off the shop wall circuit to this i am unsure.

what i do know is i currently run a freeken AHP160ST off 84 feet of 12 gauge line from a 25A breaker hard wired in mind you but its hard wired in the house garage.. and i can pull 120A off that AHP in short bursts and 105A continues.. and i think if i had 30A breaker i was wired into i think i would be able to getting to 120A would not be a issue for longer duration's.

some food for thoughts..

basically it comes down to this.. the newer inverter machines can do things most welders think impossible due to how the transformer machines perform.. i mean kevin Caron stated this a few years ago about a wire feed welder and how much more effciant the new welder he had recently gotten was vs one that was like 20-30 years old was... and its benefits were to the cost of running his shop.

what i see for mobile welding is fuel savings A good made 6000 watt genny is going to eat way less fuel then a 225A welder generator based on transformer tech espcaily one that can support 11Kw i mean just simple idot math will tell you it needs to have a engine nearly twice as big and evan idling along all day will eat nearly 2x the fuel also upkeep should be less on a smaller generator as well.

[ldbtx]

I want one, but I also want the new one coming from HTP. And my Esab 161 is all that l really "need". How many machines is "too many"?

It's kinda like one's gun collection, I think. If you know how many you have...you don't have enough.