[bigworm40]

This is a picture of a root pass I made with the intent to make two more, how do i eliminate the "undercut" on the top of the weld?

This weld was made with a Millermatic 252 using dual shield 0.35 wire

[weldin mike 27]

Hey,

I find that is caused by driving the wire right into the corner of the joint. Pull the arc back about 2-3mm out onto the bottom plate and let the weld wash across on to the vertical piece. Also, lower your gun angle toward the bottom plate so the weld metal is forced upwards onto the vertical piece.

Mick

[bigworm40]

Thanks for the input, what your saying makes sense ill give that a shot. This is a shot of some of my second and third pass's. I have very little experience with multipass welding, how do i get rid of that ledge from pass two to pass three?

[soutthpaw]

I think a lot is in your technique and possibly incorrect voltage or wire speed combined. I don't have experience with dual shield though.

[jwright650]

To me it looks like your voltage may be too high due to the pot marks(gas tracks) on the cap. But the overlap is probably travel speed is a bit slow for the small wire and it's piling up and rolling over. Hard to tell from the pic, but how wide is the cap on that top pass that is starting to overlap?

[bigworm40]

To me it looks like your voltage may be too high due to the pot marks(gas tracks) on the cap. But the overlap is probably travel speed is a bit slow for the small wire and it's piling up and rolling over. Hard to tell from the pic, but how wide is the cap on that top pass that is starting to overlap?

cap pass is around 1/2". What are the pot marks? I'm new to the lingo. I will try and speed up my travel and see if that helps. The Miller I'm using and I'm sure most due have there recommended or starting points for voltage and wire speed. So are these starting points good for both dual and self shield?

[AKweldshop]

Hard for me to diagnose that bead.

Hard to imagine using .035 wire on such thick metal.
I'd at least be using .045.....

I wish I could link you a good duelshield video to watch, but there is none....

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[AKweldshop]

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[bigworm40]

Nice work. Thats what I'm looking for. thanks for the post. i also think I need to start using .045. I didn't mention it before but I am using 92/8 because thats what we had. When I asked about it I was told thats just what we use here. I did talk my boss into getting a tank of c25. Could that be part of my uppercut/ voltage problem?

[Superiorwelding]

AKweldshop,
Make us a video!!
-Jonathan

[AKweldshop]

AKweldshop,
Make us a video!!
-Jonathan

Superiorwelding,
I'd rather post pics.
Video's greatly diminish in applicable value without arc shots.

This is 3/8" steel to 1/2" steel/
Hobart .045 wire.

The pics above are Esab .045 wire.

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[Superiorwelding]

John,
Come on, be a good sport.
-Jonathan

[AKweldshop]

Nice work. Thats what I'm looking for. thanks for the post. i also think I need to start using .045. I didn't mention it before but I am using 92/8 because thats what we had. When I asked about it I was told thats just what we use here. I did talk my boss into getting a tank of c25. Could that be part of my uppercut/ voltage problem?

I can't speak to 92/8, as I've never used any of it for duelshield wire.

I've used Hobart 80 something, Esab 71x, and Lincoln 71m, all with 75/25 Ar/Co2. All .045 dia.

The perform just fine for me.

Co2 is supposed to work as well. I just use 75/25 because that's what I have.

[AKweldshop]

John,
Come on, be a good sport.
-Jonathan

The problem with being a good sport, is that I have to loose to prove it.

[weldin mike 27]

With small wire, you can't just go slower and have it match the bigger stuff. To make a 3/8 fillet with .035 you may need 4 runs. Set the machine to your known settings and travel fast enough to keep the arc on the front edge of the puddle, if this results in a small weld, lay more beads, in the same pattern. The undercut comes from slow travel speed and letting the pool become too big for the available wire.

Mick

[bigworm40]

Thanks gus for all your advice. I did talk my boss into picking up a spool or .045 wire. Does anyone know anything about http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/Co ... nElectric)

Our local supply store stocks this wire. They also ordered me the drive roller kit and the gun sleeve. If you have any experience with this wire let me know.

The picture below is of the project I'm working on. All the material is A572 grade 50 1/2" except the hubbs. Its's 48"s long and I have it laid out to run 4" stitch welds all the way around. Would that be the correct method of welding to use or should i just run fillet welds as long as comfortably possible?

[79jasper]

Can't remember if that's the same stuff I ran at school, but nearly went blind and almost melted my gloves and hood off. Sheesh.
But it looks smooth.

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[jwright650]

The shop I was in was always worried about the cost of supplies, so CO2 was the shielding of choice due to it being cheaper than the argon mixes. It works well with 1/16" ESAB E71T-1 and the like. That small diameter wire (.035) has to really pile up to run passes as large as the OP is posting about. I would be concerned about running stringers that large and maintaining good penetration to the root. The arc can get kind of lazy if you are not out on the leading edge so it can dig in and cut out the root as you go. For structural steel fabrication, most shops that I've been in and inspected in were running .045 as their all around wire, and larger dia. FCAW wires for the heavier work.
Here is a pic(pic quality not so good) of stringers run in a full pen joint with 3/32" dia. Hobart E70T-1 with CO2 shielding.
450a/29.5v travelling around 12-15 ipm with 1" stickout




Here is a pdf from ESAB about their .035 wire....try the recommended parameters and see how they work for you, in the past I found they work just fine on the upper end of the ranges for higher deposition rates.
http://mam.esab.com/assets/1/BDBA5CC688 ... ain-01.pdf

[bigworm40]

Thanks for all your input John and everyone else. You guys are helping me out greatly. Could some one please explain what causes these tracks in the weld.

[jwright650]

Thanks for all your input John and everyone else. You guys are helping me out greatly. Could some one please explain what causes these tracks in the weld.

I have found that the voltage set a bit too high for faster travel speeds led to an increase of seeing those(worm tracks) on the cap/under the slag. I think the slag freezes due to the fast travel speeds and doesn't give the gas time enough to escape(<-my theory).

[Superiorwelding]

To complement Mr. Wright's statement it is likely your gas flow is to high. I posted a article to back this up a long time ago and will try to look it back up and post it here. What is your CFH?
-Jonathan

[bigworm40]

40

[jwright650]

40

That gas flow sounds good to me, I wrote my WPSs for the (1/16" and 3/32")FCAW that we used at 40-45cfh and generally didn't have any coverage issues unless a OH door was opened or a shop fan accidentally turned in the direction of the welding.

[bigworm40]

Im currently using .035 and I don't think my travel speed is to fast, ill just keep trying different things.

[jwright650]

To complement Mr. Wright's statement it is likely your gas flow is to high. I posted a article to back this up a long time ago and will try to look it back up and post it here. What is your CFH?
-Jonathan

I had a kid in our shop who thought a little gas is good so a lot must be better...LOL I think when the gas flow is too strong it creates a vortex or you get "eddies" that suck in atmosphere when approaching an inside corner.
ie welding inside the web of a column at a base plate (base plate to column shaft)